Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Can Goyim Do Chesed?

After watching this video clip, it seems that they indeed can...

H/T: Rafi @gldmeier


  1. Sure goyim are capable of doing chessed, it's simply worthless. See BB (10b). Can't get clearer than that. Same goes for AZ (3b), where HKBH rebukes them how all their "enviromental charity work" was all really done for their own selfish interests.

  2. See the last few lines of BB 10b where it says:

    נענה רבי נחוניא בן הקנה ואמר: צדקה תרומם גוי וחסד לישראל‚ ולאומים חטאת. אמר להם רבן יוחנן בן זכאי לתלמידיו: נראין דברי רבי נחוניא בן הקנה מדברי ומדבריכם‚ לפי שהוא נותן צדקה וחסד לישראל ולעכו"ם חטאת. מכלל דהוא נמי אמר‚ מאי אמר? דתניא אמר להם רבן יוחנן בן זכאי כשם שהחטאת מכפרת על ישראל כך צדקה מכפרת על אומות העולם

    Not exactly worthless...

  3. I said: "sure goyim are capable of doing chesed"

    D'haynu, acc. to both R. Eliezer and R. NBH they are capable of the above. But acc. to R. NBH the title question doesn't even take off. If anything it's coming as a proof against R. Eliezer's opinion. But this too is not a q, because R. Eliezer is aware that they are capable of doing chesed, yet believes that "it's worthless". Therefore, for the sake of consistency, the point of your post (at least the way it sslounds from the title) is more in sync with R. Eliezer.

    (as a side point, acc. to R. NBH, some mamarei Chazal would be in need of some deeper explanation other than "vus shtayt", unless we learn that even acc. to R. NBH, their chesed can only be a kapara if it is a complete selfless act..)